tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8158319986602952349.post4609102401686022187..comments2023-08-16T12:44:15.891-05:00Comments on Primate Freedom: InvertebratesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8158319986602952349.post-14175955339298615022014-06-22T10:07:47.156-05:002014-06-22T10:07:47.156-05:00http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/06/22/invertebrate...http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/06/22/invertebrates-feel-stress-says-science-but-d-c-no-longer-has-a-bughouse/Rick Boglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03196770474248059784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8158319986602952349.post-32353524102918259622012-08-17T12:07:02.799-05:002012-08-17T12:07:02.799-05:00Animal rights groups and activists are as pragmati...Animal rights groups and activists are as pragmatic as anyone else. They are embedded in the current culture, where ever in the world they happen to be. As a consequence, and reasonably and understandably, they look for areas where they might have success.<br /><br />Right now in the US, harmful experiments on any animal are legal and frequently paid for with tax dollars. Protecting invertebrates is a nonstarter when dogs are allowed to be treated so horribly in labs around the country.<br /><br />I commonly try to help those who I come across who are in serous trouble -- a wasp trapped against a window, an earthworm drying out on the sidewalk, etc. We know next to nothing about consciousness; in regard to how we ought to treat those who conceivably could be sentient, the only moral choice is to treat them with compassion and to act in ways that avoid harming them.<br />Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8158319986602952349.post-7788625437827782082012-08-17T06:31:06.443-05:002012-08-17T06:31:06.443-05:00Rick,
Good points. Something I think is interesti...Rick,<br /><br />Good points. Something I think is interesting but is rarely discussed is that humans who are paraplegic or under anesthesia show some of the same behavior as invertebrates. E.g. even though they report feeling no pain, they show associative learning in response to pain. (So maybe surgery while anesthetized is actually a painful thing.)<br /><br />I'm curious what your thoughts are on how we should rank the pain of invertebrates. Animal Rights groups spend very little time e.g. looking for less painful insecticides, which it sounds like you think is a mistake. But how big of a mistake is it?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00235189388350960670noreply@blogger.com